From federal SOCs to Talos: Ryan Fetterman on practical security research
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What does it mean to be "blue collar" for the blue team? Ryan Fetterman discusses the realities of detection engineering, and shares his philosophy on building a career in security without burning out.
What does it mean to be "blue collar" for the blue team? Amy sat down with security researcher Ryan Fetterman to discuss his journey from federal agency work to his new role at Talos. He shares the realities of detection engineering — including the creative, often frustrating ways attackers evolve their tactics to stay one step ahead of traditional defenses. Beyond the technical grind, Ryan shares his philosophy on building a career in security without burning out. From the value of project-based learning to the importance of finding time to step away from the keyboard, here's Ryan's take on what it really means to navigate today's cybersecurity industry.
Amy Ciminnisi: Tell me a little bit about the journey that has taken you to Talos, from early on in your career through to now. How did you get here? I actually don't know that much about it.
Ryan Fetterman: I've been doing security about 15 years now, and my career was largely shaped by where I started in the DC area. I spent about a decade there. I started out in consulting and then pivoted over to research, but that was a great place to get started.
I got a lot of great experience in federal agencies and government consulting, continued my education down there, got trained up, got certifications and things like that. And that was where I got my first exposure to doing actual security operations, which is what I really stuck with. It was my first exposure to Splunk.
Querying lots of log data and building visualizations and analytics in Splunk was the first time in my career that I felt it was kind of my natural inclination. It seems like it should have been more obvious to me looking back on it, but it's something that I try to explain to people a lot. When you first get into security, there's a desire to kind of find your specialization and start working towards it. But in my experience, it's just not something that you can rush.
I met the people connected with that space, which eventually led to me going to work for Splunk. I worked on the Splunk research team, SURGe. And then after the Cisco acquisition of Splunk, I ultimately became reorganized into Talos.
AC: I'm sure there have been so many challenges, so many obstacles in your way as you're trying to do this research. Can you share one that you've faced and how it shaped your perspective on cybersecurity?
RF: Something that stuck with me was actually my first advanced persistent threat (APT) incident. Now, you can look this up. It's called Pandora Song if you search for the C2. I was in the DC area working in a federal SOC, and I was doing some of the first host-based analytics at the time, which have now become kind of the concentration of a lot of detection. Engineering and analytics are host-based, so this was kind of pioneering at the time.
I was looking at a lot of host-based sensors and writing analytics in Splunk, actually, and we had been tipped off to this incident by a third party. I was looking through the details of the incident and how the attacker was carrying out the progression of their attack...
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